Trump met with the retired four-star general on Saturday at his golf course in Bedminster, NJ and they spoke for an hour to discuss a secretary of defense position possibility.
Now that Trump kissed and made up with The New York Times (aka "the paper of record," aka "the Gray Lady," aka "the leftist rag") the President-elect revealed some information to reporters of that paper about part of their conversation.
The Times wrote:
"He said, 'I've never found it to be useful,'" Mr. Trump said, describing the general's view of torturing terrorism suspects. He added that Mr. Mattis found more value in building trust and rewarding cooperation with terror suspects: "'Give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I'll do better.'" He added: "I was very impressed by that answer."So now Mr. Trump has reconsidered his position, which is indeed, a sign of reason and intelligence, or perhaps a sign that he tends to agree with the last person to whom he has spoken. Torture, he said, is "not going to make the kind of difference that a lot of people are thinking."
This is a contradictory position of Trump's pick for national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who stated that "all options are on the table," [including that guy with the bag over his head that's getting water poured on it as he screams the first thing that comes to mind to get it to stop.]
Before Flynn campaigned for Trump, he was against the practice, but got on the bandwagon when Trump said he was on board with waterboarding.
If Trump has really changed his mind on the practice, that will sit well with national security experts who see problems with the legality of it.
Mattis appears to be at the top of Trump's list for defense secretary he told The Times. He said that he was "seriously considering" the retired general for the position.